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- From: Darren <darren@talent.demon.co.uk>
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- Subject: Re: C64 CDROM
- Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 16:09:30
- Organization: Talented Designs
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- In article: <doug.cotton-0701960726300001@s102.the-spa.com>
- doug.cotton@the-spa.com (Doug Cotton) writes:
- > As a percentage of the market, no. The percentage of the remaining
- user
- > base that finds stealing software acceptable is higher.
-
- And why is this? Simply because the outlets for the software have
- decreased to cirtually none. And with hardly anywhere to buy the
- software of course people are going to want to download and pirate it.
-
- > Obviously the size of the market at that time still allowed companies
- to
- > sell enough software despite those who were stealing it. If you have 6
- > million users and half of them buy software, you've got a market of 3
- > million users to attempt to sell to. As the market dwindles, yes, it
- gets
- > harder to sell sufficient quantities to make it worthwhile. And that's
- > when the amount of illegal copying becomes more devastating; and if
- the
- > percentage of that activity increases as the market gets smaller,
- things
- > get worse a lot faster. We're at a point now where it appears that
- less
- > than one percent of the users actually buy software. That's not just
- sad,
- > it's pitiful.
-
- Well there are not enough companies producing software any longer, and
- not enough outlets for them. Simple facts are that virtually every
- outlet for c64 software has left the system behind.
-
- > They certainly won't bother to buy software when so much of it is
- readily
- > available for the cost of downloading. And the plethora of illegal
- > software will quickly dull the senses of users as to what the actual
- value
- > of software is. But if the system is "so outdated" in these user's
- > opinions, why are they still using it? Sure some may use it for
- nostalgia
- > sake, and others may use it only because they can get illegal copies
- of
- > software for it easily. But there are a lot of users out there who are
- > frankly quite satisfied with the 64's capabilities, and have no desire
- to
- > learn something else.
-
- And also a lot of users who simply can not afford a new high end
- machine. But like I said before the software is not readily available.
- If you were to connect to a site with 500 C64 games on it. How many of
- them do you actually think you would be able to buy locally? 20? 50 at
- the most? If you actually wanted some of the other titles how would you
- ever get them without downloading a copy?
-
- > As I've stated before, there are still plenty of users left to make
- > producing software viable, if they would only buy it. No, EA and the
- other
- > big companies won't come back now, but there are several smaller
- concerns
- > such as Threshold, Electric Boys, and ourselves that have been trying
- to
- > make new titles available. With the level of sales we've seen, though,
- I
- > doubt any of us will try much longer. Both Electric Boys and CMD have
- > already trimmed way back on initial plans for new releases, and if the
- > next round of releases goes as the last did, we'll undoubtedly call it
- > quits. We've already mothballed three other software projects because
- we
- > felt the level of illegal copying in the market wouldn't allow us to
- sell
- > enough copies to make the projects worth investing in. The sad part is
- > that those honest users out there are the ones that suffer, because
- > they'll either not get the new titles they're hoping for, or have to
- pay a
- > higher premium to get them. And without those new releases, these
- users
- > will also either have to turn to stealing or move on to a different
- > platform. You know, perhaps you should be trying to convince those
- users
- > how illegal copying doesn't hurt the market.
-
- Thats true, the only companies left producing software are very small
- ones. And to be honest with you none of the software produced by these
- small companies is worthy of the money they ask for it. I can not
- remember the last commercial piece of C64 software I saw that was
- actually any good? The only thing my C64 stays setup for is to play old
- games and new demos. If the software the companies produced today was up
- to the standard of the software the large companies produced a few years
- ago then they would get more sales, but alas all the really great c64
- programmers are working on better systems.
-
- > But you're all for making a few bucks off selling stolen property for
- it?
-
- Who do you actually mean by all? Everyone in this newsgroup? Or the
- people who put together the various CD-Roms, if the C64 was still an
- active machine then I would not tolerate such CD-Roms myself but as
- software for the C64 is so hard to get such products are happily
- accepted by virtually everyone.
-
- > While I'm sure we could go back and forth forever without reaching any
- > agreement, I don't see the sense. I'm sure I've made my position clear
- by
- > now, so I won't bother responding to this thread any further. As a
- final
- > comment, though, I have to say that it's bad enough to see such
- blatent
- > illegal distribution of software; but it really irks me to see such a
- > large number of currently available titles being distributed this way,
- > some of which our company has distribution rights to. We've gone out
- of
- > our way in the past to help the authorites in our own country catch
- and
- > prosecute computer criminals, and while I don't know who we need to
- > contact in the UK offhand, I can guarantee we'll be looking into this
- > matter further.
-
- As far as I was concerned there were virtually no companies left
- producing C64 Software and the ones that did, did very little and as a
- sideline. Please either post or email the titles your company have
- produced as I would be happy to take a look at them. And alsleave me
- info on companies over here in Europe who still deal in software because
- until then none of us can buy 64 software no matter how much we would
- want to.
-
- Out of interest, I am personally looking for Portal from Activision. If
- anybody out there has a copy for sale or knows somewhere that I can get
- it please leeave me mail.
-
- > Doug Cotton
- > E-mail: doug.cotton@the-spa.com
-
- Darren.
-